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grzzi



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PostPosted: 06.10.2006 15:58    Post subject: Adobe gnjavaža Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

http://www.invbiznews.com/wordpress/adobe-and-apple-is-it-all-over/

Mislim da je vrijeme za appleov photoshop i illustrator ili da jednostavno kupe Adobe?

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PostPosted: 06.10.2006 16:12    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

i ja ispaštam zbog ovih gluposti.. a baš sam mislio ovih dana postat na forum nešto kao "Kad će više izać update za Adobe da OVA KRNTIJA proradi"..

čak i radit vrlo jednostavni css u Dreamweaveru je postalo takvo testiranje živaca.. za skoro svaki select se pojavljuje onaj iritantni šareni krug..

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PostPosted: 06.10.2006 16:15    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Dead Man wrote:
.. za skoro svaki select se pojavljuje onaj iritantni šareni krug..


pa jel mozes promjenit cursor?
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PostPosted: 06.10.2006 16:17    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

apple market cap oko 64 milijarde dolara
adobe market cap oko 22 milijarde ...

mislim da ih mogu uzeti za cash Smile) ... apple ima preko 10 milijardi u kešu ...

doduše mislim da za desetinu tih novaca mogu napraviti program bolji od PS-a i Illustratora ... a kako adobe skoro pola love zarađuje od Mac tržišta, kasnije ih mogu kupiti za male pare ...

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PostPosted: 06.10.2006 16:38    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Bojim se da je članak pisao netko tko nije koristio Aperture. I u najnovijoj, prošli tjedan izdanoj, verziji, to je poluproizvod. FFS, Photoshop na jednoprocesorskom G4 je upotrebljiviji od Aperturea na quad core Mac Prou.

Jedno je imati povjerenje u Apple da može proizvesti pandan Photoshopu, a drugo vidjeti po golim činjenicama koliko zapravo nisu dorasli poslu u tom segmentu. Ovaj članak je navlakuša za ovce.

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PostPosted: 06.10.2006 16:46    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

lekke wrote:
Bojim se da je članak pisao netko tko nije koristio Aperture. I u najnovijoj, prošli tjedan izdanoj, verziji, to je poluproizvod. FFS, Photoshop na jednoprocesorskom G4 je upotrebljiviji od Aperturea na quad core Mac Prou.

Jedno je imati povjerenje u Apple da može proizvesti pandan Photoshopu, a drugo vidjeti po golim činjenicama koliko zapravo nisu dorasli poslu u tom segmentu. Ovaj članak je navlakuša za ovce.


neznam jesi li probao Lightroom, vidim da i adobe ima problema s tim tipom aplikacije iako bi očekivao puno bržu i intuitivniju aplikaciju ...

mislim da je posve izvedivo i posve realno... macromedia je imala sličan program, postoji brdo open source programa koji su gotovo moćni kao i PS, fali im samo appleova expertiza oko gui-a. (GIMP anyone?)


Čak i microsoft izdaje svoju verziju ... a i corel je imao alate za rad s bitmapama...

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PostPosted: 27.10.2006 20:02    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

http://www.invbiznews.com/wordpress/adobe-launches-new-front-in-war-with-apple/

još preklapanja ... mislim da je apple branded photoshop/illustrator/flash samo pitanje vremena.

prije samo par godina apple gotovo da nije imao software vrijedan spomena (osim OS-a) ...

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Q4.06/8F4B780E-674F-4421-A44D-7B1EAE9C1BA6.html

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PostPosted: 27.10.2006 22:50    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

lekke wrote:
Bojim se da je članak pisao netko tko nije koristio Aperture. I u najnovijoj, prošli tjedan izdanoj, verziji, to je poluproizvod. FFS, Photoshop na jednoprocesorskom G4 je upotrebljiviji od Aperturea na quad core Mac Prou.

Jedno je imati povjerenje u Apple da može proizvesti pandan Photoshopu, a drugo vidjeti po golim činjenicama koliko zapravo nisu dorasli poslu u tom segmentu. Ovaj članak je navlakuša za ovce.


IMHO, photoshop nije od verzije 7.0 nesto napredovao. Jedina promjena koju osjetim u svom radu izmedju verzije 7.0 i CS2 su folderi layera(ne sjecam se mozda je i 7.0 imao foldere), i nestani folderi layera. 90% usera PS-a koristi 10% programa. Ako Apple uspije pogoditi sweet spot i izbaci software koji ima manje mogucnosti, ali simply radi mislim da bi PS mogao dozivit krah na Apple platformi. Jednostavno nek se fokusiraju na glavne feature koje useri trebaju, i dumpaju ostatak. Tko ce trebati specificne PS feature, kupit cs PS, a ostali ce imati jeftiniju, optimiziraniju varijantu. Apple ne treba izgurati u potpunosti PS, dovoljno je da mu uzme vecinu trzista, znaci ljude koji rade web i manje zahtjevni DTP.

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PostPosted: 28.10.2006 00:14    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

neznam bi li to bilo dobro ili ne (za korisnike), ali to je nešto što apple radi u zadnje vrijeme. Prije par godina ne bi se usudili dirati u proizvođače softa (bar ne tipa adobe ili quark ili microsoft) ali neka lighter verzija PS-a i ili illustratora, tek tako da adobe više ne može diktirati tempo, a sa mogućnošću nadgradnje na pro verziju ako ustreba, strateško oružje...

monopol?

http://www.siliconcolor.com/

mislim da su još prefokusirani na zadržavanje video tržišta, al aplikacije kao garage band, iPhoto, iWeb, Pages i Keynote pokazuju da imaju interese prema svim segmentima tržišta ...

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002feb/bma20020227010464.htm

apple - adobe relationships Smile

Photoshop for Mac last year sold roughly 230 million copies. The Windows version sold roughly 247 million.

- podatak iz 2001/02 ali mislim da je situacija ista otprilike i sad ...

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PostPosted: 28.10.2006 00:20    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

retro_one wrote:
IMHO, photoshop nije od verzije 7.0 nesto napredovao. Jedina promjena koju osjetim u svom radu izmedju verzije 7.0 i CS2 su folderi layera(ne sjecam se mozda je i 7.0 imao foldere), i nestani folderi layera. 90% usera PS-a koristi 10% programa. Ako Apple uspije pogoditi sweet spot i izbaci software koji ima manje mogucnosti, ali simply radi mislim da bi PS mogao dozivit krah na Apple platformi. Jednostavno nek se fokusiraju na glavne feature koje useri trebaju, i dumpaju ostatak. Tko ce trebati specificne PS feature, kupit cs PS, a ostali ce imati jeftiniju, optimiziraniju varijantu. Apple ne treba izgurati u potpunosti PS, dovoljno je da mu uzme vecinu trzista, znaci ljude koji rade web i manje zahtjevni DTP.


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PostPosted: 28.10.2006 00:40    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=9884


Finally, Adobe's "love/hate" relationship with Apple, especially in recent days under Chizen, and Adobe's move toward a Windows-centric approach on several flagship products, fuel speculation that the Macromedia acquisition may be a pre-emptive strike against Apple's heavy push into several of Adobe's categories. Final Cut Pro, formerly a Macromedia product, has been a runaway success for Apple, which has a history of introducing very low-cost digital media products that compete with other companies' equivalent mid-level products (e.g., Keynote, Pages, iDVD, iMovie).

The list of competitive Adobe-Apple products also spills into professional market:

Cool Edit Pro, acquired by Adobe and rebranded as Audition to compete against Avid's low-end Digidesign ProTools LE, has been blindsided by the introduction of Soundtrack Pro, which now directly competes with Avid's higher-end ProTools TDM systems at a price point equivalent to Audition

Adobe released Encore, a DVD creation tool, as a Windows-only product in direct competition with Apple's DVD Studio Pro, which emerged from Apple's acquisition of Spruce. Even after Apple eliminated the Windows version of Spruce's DVD product, opening an opportunity to compete directly with DVD Studio Pro, Adobe failed to price Encore at DVD Studio Pro's sub-$500 price.

Adobe's Premiere, the precursor to Apple's Final Cut Pro, is a classic programmer's story of squandered opportunity. Premiere's principal architects wanted to completely overhaul Premiere, but Adobe's interest lay elsewhere at that point. The programmers started on Final Cut, a product that was ultimately acquired by Macromedia, where it languished for years despite significant industry buzz, before being acquired by Apple.
With last week's introduction of Tiger (OS X 10.4), Apple has embedded multi-layer photo- and video-manipulation technologies right into the operating system; combined with the recent introduction of Motion 2, which works with some Photoshop and After Effects products, it's easy to see that Apple's moves may both undercut Adobe's success on the Macintosh platform and hasten Adobe's move toward solidifying an equally robust suite of programs on the Windows platform.

Whether or not the Macromedia acquisition completes Adobe's master plan for a strong bench of Windows products in the one area where Apple lags behind?Web development?remains to be seen, but this skirmish in the digital media wars will surely provide plenty of conversation starters. The Macromedia acquisition also yields Flash video, a hidden gem that will bolster Adobe customers' ability to acquire, edit and deliver video-based content all within a single provider's suite of software products.


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PostPosted: 28.10.2006 00:51    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

salesmanship is Bruce Chizen's main passion. Not graphics, not design, not software development. Sales.

For obvious reasons, Steve Jobs is not an unbiased source of commentary regarding what happened at Apple during his decade-long exile from the company. But I think he's largely right that Apple's biggest problem during that period was that it was run by sales guys. In a Newsweek article commemorating the 20th anniversary of the original Mac, Steven Levy wrote:

Even now for its 25 million users, the Macintosh is a source of passion. (Journalists know that a disparaging word about an iMac or a PowerBook will unleash a hundred flames from rabid Apple-heads.) Steve Jobs thinks he knows why. In the modern world there aren't a lot of products where the people who make them love them. How many products are made that way these days??

Does this not describe the general vibe of the Chizen era at Adobe?

Adobe is clearly behaving like a monopolist in the print and imaging categories. It strikes me as much more plausible that they've acquired Macromedia to strengthen their hold on the markets they already dominate than as an effort to expand into new markets like the web.

When is the last time Adobe has unveiled anything truly innovative for the graphics-and-design market? InDesign 1.0? That was nearly five years ago.

Levy's article then concludes with this appealing observation from Jobs:

A wicked smile cracks the bearded, crinkly Steve Jobs's visage, and for a moment he could be the playful upstart who shocked the world 20 years ago. - Hmm, look who's running Microsoft now,- he says, referring to former Procter & Gamble marketer Steve Ballmer. - A sales guy!? The smile gets broader. ?I wonder ?? he says.


(from http://daringfireball.net/2005/04/fish_head )

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PostPosted: 30.10.2006 20:46    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=6435

tek za informaciju da će CS3 raditi (i) na PowerPC strojevima ... good news.

"the next versions of the CS and Studio apps are being built as Universal apps, and they'll run great on PPC"


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PostPosted: 31.10.2006 09:57    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Nije jos Illustrator, ali cijena je razumna i gui je dobar

http://www.freeverse.com/lineform/lineform_features.php

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PostPosted: 15.12.2006 20:38    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

http://huibert-aalbers.com/blog/archives/78

još neki misle da bi apple mogao izbaciti svoj PS ... PS3 beta je vrlo čudan potez adobea ...

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